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Medieval Sword & Shield: The Combat System of Royal Armouries MS I.33 (Inglese) Copertina flessibile – 1 nov 2003

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4 di 4 persone hanno trovato utile la seguente recensione
3.0 su 5 stelle It's a useful book for educational purposes but it's a decade old ... 15 agosto 2014
Di Greg Henrikson - Pubblicato su
Formato: Copertina flessibile Acquisto verificato
It's a useful book for educational purposes but it's a decade old now and much of this interpretation has since been changed. Wagner and Hand, like many doing I.33 a few years ago, approach it from the perspective of better known, later fighting arts. So anyone familiar with longsword will notice similar footwork and concepts. Their stance is upright and they are quite conservative in using the buckler. Since then most students of this art, including I believe these authors, have been fleshing out the gaps between the panels of the I.33 sketches more accurately. So instead of the upright-posture, side-stepping style of early longsword, we're seeing a much more forward-leaning and dynamic approach that uses the buckler to control the center line and relies on sword rotation for strikes. If anything the buckler has now become the primary "weapon" in I.33, with the sword playing a secondary role rotating around it. The literature for the newer interpretations is still a work in progress, but Roland's work is probably the best one to check out now. Nevertheless I find this book an interesting companion piece in the way it shows how the HEMA interpretation has evolved in the past few years. Just remember not to get too attached to doing things this way, or indeed any one way. Issues as basic as which foot should be forward for various I.33 guards are still being vigorously debated.
33 di 35 persone hanno trovato utile la seguente recensione
5.0 su 5 stelle Author's Comments 8 dicembre 2005
Di Stephen Hand - Pubblicato su
Formato: Copertina flessibile
Medieval Sword and Shield has been well received, but it is not the final word on medieval swordsmanship or on the I.33 system. Research into historical martial arts is like any other historical research. It is an ongoing process, which calls for open minded honesty, and a willingness to update your findings, even if that means admitting that you got some things wrong.

Since writing Medieval Sword and Shield, I have continued my research on this system. This has led to a number of changes in my interpretation and to some new insights into how the artwork, which lacks any perspective or sense of depth, should best be translated into physical movement. My latest thoughts on the system have been presented in a paper in the anthology Spada II, also published by Chivalry Bookshelf. Students of the I.33 system will find this paper a valuable addition to the book.

In closing, I must disagree with the comment by another reviewer that the use of Di Grassi's 16th century Italian footwork terminology was inappropriate. Di Grassi's footwork is not particularly distinctive. The basic forwards, backwards, angled and circular steps of Di Grassi are used in many other arts and in fact it would be difficult to imagine any sort of fencing system without most of these types of movement. The body mechanics of Di Grassi and the I.33 system are not identical, but that does not change a step forward into something other than a step forward. Di Grassi was unique in the detailed terminology he included to describe footwork, and that is why his terminology has become widely used in the historical fencing community.

Stephen Hand
11 di 13 persone hanno trovato utile la seguente recensione
4.0 su 5 stelle Not to be underestimated! 10 marzo 2007
Di Andrew D. Leitch - Pubblicato su
Formato: Copertina flessibile
Wagner & Hand's interpretation is spot-on in a number of very unexpected ways and although its becoming a bit dated now, its still clearly the best companion book for understanding the I.33 manuscript.

The flaws in the book centre around the interpretation of the footwork. Even they admit that they didn't get the footwork right and published an addendum in SPADA II to correct this. The problem with interpreting the footwork lies in the lack of direction given by the manuscript and the tendency of whoever reads the manuscript to connect it to their own martial arts backgrounds.

I thought that they missed the mark with the footwork because in nearly all their pictures Hand and Wagner have upright stances which lock them into stepping instead of springing - like one does in Olympic Fencing. The typically low stance of Olympic Fencing gives one a lot of spring, and I found that adopting a nearly linear, forward learning stance - as is found in the I.33 illustrations also gives the same thing (a lot of spring). Which is curious because this stance can also be found in the sword & buckler illustrations in the much later fechtbuch by Jorg Wilhalm (whose work they point to on pages 25 & 100 of their book). The fact that two fechtbuch so seperated in time and yet have the same stance should have attracted more of their attention, I feel. If anything, Talhoffer's stance for sword and buckler is more in keeping with what they eventually adopted.

The book also seemed to lack a chapter on "counter-timing" - surely one of the most important principles underlying the art - in particular the "stepping through" and the "shield knock" maneuvers.

But here I am demonstrating my own prejudices. My own perception stems from an assumption that the initial engagement range of a fight is two steps apart - as both fencers agree to negotiate the intervening distance through feint and maneuver in the game of zufechten. Such a style naturally develops the process of feint and counter-time. But Hand & Wagner's interpretation seems to be in keeping with another style. The "wait and see" style of fencer, who perceives fighting distance as one step away by either party. So you stay where you are, allow your opponent to approach, parry his first attack and only then maneuver to take advantage of their newly exposed openings in his defence.

So the question is, what kind of fencer are you? Is this a book which suits your style, or will you have to re-examine their footwork?
48 di 52 persone hanno trovato utile la seguente recensione
5.0 su 5 stelle A Significant Contribution to the Field 28 marzo 2004
Di Un cliente - Pubblicato su
Formato: Copertina flessibile
People interested in European Medieval martial arts have to realize that these systems were kept secret at the time. Medieval manuscripts on fencing were written for a very select audience and are brief, deliberately obscure, and cryptic. It requires a great deal of effort and dedicated study to try to reconstruct personal combat techniques from period sources with any hope of success. Paul Wagner & Stephen Hand have done an excellent job in that regard with their book. Royal Armouries MS I.33 is the oldest illustrated fencing manual in existence and is devoted exclusively to a single weapon system: the arming sword and buckler. Wagner & Hand have studied all the available period sources on this weapon system and combined that with a lot of hands-on trial and error to come up with a complete and plausible interpretation of the system.
The strength of the book from a scholar's view point is the clarity with which they explain what is not being said in the original manuscript. For example, MS I.33 contains no references to footwork. I appreciate authors who do not blurr the line between their own inventions and those techniques clearly grounded in the source. (Readers interested in the source will want Dr. Jeffrey Forgeng's translation and facsimile of the original manuscript titled: The Medieval Art of Swordsmanship.)
The strength of the book from a practitioner's view point is the clarity of the text and photographs. It is a simple matter to work your way through the material following their explanations and illustrations. Given the limited source material, it is only natural that there will be disagreements on interpretation. Mine comes from Wagner & Hand's reliance on 16th-century Italian rapier and dagger sources for their footwork. Admittedly, MS I.33 provides no guidance in this area, but I find 16th-century Italian footwork so distinctive, even compared to other 16th-century styles, that I have reservations about its applicability here.
MS I.33 is an historically important fencing manual and Wagner & Hand have done the European Medieval martial arts community a service by providing a complete and rigorous interpretation. The quality of the presentation reflects their effort and dedication. This book deserves a place on any bookshelf devoted to the subject.
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5.0 su 5 stelle Highly recommended 14 febbraio 2013
Di BlessedBHive - Pubblicato su
Formato: Copertina flessibile Acquisto verificato
I'm teaching my sons self-confidence, poise, and balance, all in the form of medieval sword fighting. They got Nerf swords for a gift last year, and they each were wildly waving the swords, jumping and hopping around, as one might expect from a 7 and 9 year old without experience. This book, combined with Liechtenauer's Part I DVD from Agilitas.TV, has taught them to stand, use appropriate footwork, and hold the sword, or sword and buckler, in the right way. And most importantly, they are having a great time. I highly recommend it.